Pakistan's Nuclear Program

Salam delegate of Pakistan,
The delegate said that: "Nuclear power in the hands of any unstable country represents a threat to the entire international community. A threat, not only referring to individual member states homeland security but also to economical ties that may exist between these said member states...." Well fellow delegate, this argument seems a little controversial since “Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal consists of approximately 60 nuclear warheads. Pakistan continues fissile material production for weapons, and is adding to its weapons production facilities and delivery vehicles. Pakistan reportedly stores its warheads unassembled with the fissile core separate from non-nuclear explosives, and these are stored separately from their delivery vehicles. Pakistan does not have a stated nuclear policy...” (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL34248.pdf) Fellow delegate, considering all the issues that Pakistan has been ad still is passing through, including terrorism and drug sponsoring, can this nation be considered stable? Isn’t it in the same condition as North Korea?? “Pakistani military officers have recently been arrested for alleged ties to al Qaeda, including a solider who reportedly sheltered Mohammed. And politicians in Musharraf's government express open admiration for al Qaeda. In addition, the government hasn't been able to locate bin Laden or other Qaeda figures thought to be hiding out in border regions. That's partially because many locals revere bin Laden and his fellow extremists.” (http://www.cfr.org/) Fellow delegate, truth is only one therefore don’t use the phenomenon of double morality. إله يبارك أنت

Delegate of Afghanistan, just as a quick response, does the delegate consider afghanistan a stable nation? It has been an occupied territory by the United States since 2001, and in fact, since then Pakistan has aided the country with US$ 250 million. Fellow delegate of Afghanistan, Pakistan is NOT a unstable nation. Please consider all illegal drug trafficking and terrorist spread in your country, and understand that Pakistan is changing, for the best of all. It has even set diplomatic relations with India and Afghanistan itself. And remember, Pakistan is and will always be AGAINST terrorism.

Salam fellow delegate of Pakistan!
The delegate subtly changed the topic by mostly defending itself through accusations directed to the country of Afghanistan. The Afghan delegate doesn't understand how the issues in Afghanistan determine if Pakistan is a stable nation or not. In relation to the USA interventions in Afghanistan, the delegate would like to clarify that the USA has been aiding the country in the war on terror and the war on drugs. "President Bush and President Karzai jointly announced creation of a Strategic Partnership between the United States and Afghanistan, with the mutual goals of enhancing the long-term security, democracy and prosperity of Afghanistan." (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2006/63489.htm) In relation to Pakistan, the country of Afghanistan is extremely thankful for the aid it has been giving and for the steps forward it has been taking in order to achieve peace and security, especially fighting terrorism. In the same way Afghanistan is running out of its crisis: the harsh Taliban rule is practically over and this year the illicit opium poppy cultivation and trafficking will have a resolution. On the other hand it seems a little contradicting that the delegate of Pakistan is condemning Afghanistan for terrorism and drugs, if it was Pakistan itself which has been sponsoring both. Moving along, Afghanistan has also has set various diplomatic relations. Just to name a few: United States, the Islamic World as a whole, the European Union, the United Nations in addition to strengthening regional cooperation each day. Something else contradictory is that the delegate of Pakistan stated that: "Pakistan is NOT a unstable nation" but also mentioned that: "understand that Pakistan is changing, for the best of all". Fellow delegate, if Pakistan was indeed a stable nation, it wouldn't need to be changing...In conclusion, the delegate of Pakistan doesn't seem sure about Pakistan's state of balance, which leads to the affirmation that the delegate's controversial arguments reflect the country's instability. إله يبارك أنت

Delegate of Afhanistan,

Pakistan and Afghanistan share a border, which has served as a hiding place for terrorists. So in fact, the situation in Afghanistan concerns the Pakistani nation, since both have been VICTIMS of terrorism. When the delegate said that Pakistan is "changing, for the best of all" it is refering to the new elections, which in fact, had a great impact in the country. . Pakistan is a stable nation, but changes to the best of its population are always "welcome". The Afghanistan delegate is making false accusations by saying that Pakistan sponsors terrorism, please understand that your country is the one respnsible for illegal drug trafficking, and this is sponsored by your GOVERNMENT. It is also contradicting when the delegate says, "In conclusion, the delegate of Pakistan doesn't seem sure about Pakistan's state of balance, which leads to the affirmation that the delegate's controversial arguments reflect the country's instability. " because, in fact, the Pakistani nation does not seem sure about Afghanistan´s balance, who has always been in need of international aid because of widespread poverty, and has been occupied by the United States since 2001, with the goal of COMBATING TERRORISM in the country. Controversial right .... the U.S has not been occupying Pakistan.

"The Afghanistan delegate is making false accusations by saying that Pakistan sponsors terrorism"
-Titi-

Is it not true? check your sources Titi... also, why do you say "Welcome" with "-"? this is showing what to the rest of us?!?!

could the delegate of Afghanastan please explain to their topic and what they are going to do about it with more detail

Salam delegate of Japan,
There is no resolution about Pakistan's Nuclear Program, however the delegate of Afghanistan thinks it is important to spend some time discussing about it. Pakistan is supporting Japan against North Korea's nuclear program however, doens't the delegate of Japan think this position is quiet contradicting since Pakistan's "nuclear arsenal consists of approximately 60 nuclear warheads. Pakistan continues fissile material production for weapons, and is adding to its weapons production facilities and delivery vehicles. Pakistan reportedly stores its warheads unassembled with the fissile core separate from non-nuclear explosives,
and these are stored separately from their delivery vehicles. Pakistan does not have a stated nuclear policy..." (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL34248.pdf) Afghanistan understands that Pakistan is willing to support Japan, but Pakistan's position is not backed up by its acts. When Afghanistan tries to get some explanation from the country of Pakistan, the only thing that comes out of if is accusations and subtle changing of arguments. Nevertheless, the delegate of Afghanistan strongly wishes that the countries here involved will reach a peaceful agreenment. إله يبارك أنت

I really didn't want to start debating, yet, but there are some things that must cleared before our SALMUN starts:

1.) It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that Hamid Karzai's government sponsors illegal opium trafficking -- I'm not even going to start to list my arguments on that.

2.) What does the delegate mean by saying that Pakistan has never sponsored terrorism? If so, how come your country recognized the Taliban dictatorial regime, up until 2001, as Afghanistan's legitimate government? Do you not know that, at that time, the nation was considered a terrorist state due to the continuous Human Rights violations and public beheadings? Let it be acknowledged by the delegates from this caucus that less than 7 years ago, Pakistan didn't really see much harm in Women Rights denial and penal executions as a source for entertainment.

3.) It's interesting how the Pakistani delegate is now attempting to allege my government as corrupt and my country as unstable when just a year ago, your former president declared state of national emergency and had candidate Benazir Bhutto shot dead by Al-Qaeda terrorist al-Yazid (who was, by the way, living inside Pakistan).

4.) Our poverty issue dates back to the Soviet invasion in 1979 and then the Taliban insurgence in 1996, and yes, we must strive to find solutions to end with the suffering of the Afghan people -- and since Pakistan seems so interested in helping my country, you should be trying to scan resolutions instead of so aptly criticisizing the irreversable.

5.) Most certainly the United States of America launched the War on Terror against the TERRORIST Taliban (again, government that YOU supported!), or were you expecting the Afghans alone to overthrow the most powerful regime, militarily and financially speaking, that ever controlled Afghanistan?

6.) Indeed, the NATO and US-led coalition forces haven't started occupying the Pakistani territory, though they have started to launch aerial bombardments and military raid operations across the border.

NOW, why doesn't the "better and improved" Pakistan government start offensive attacks against the tribal leaders supportive of the Taliban insurgents, and the militia groups along the Afghan-Pakistani border? I know you do agree that the totality of the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban network must be eliminated -- then why not do something of the like?

Thank you very much for the cooperation fellow delegate of Germany,
the delegate of Afghanistan though, has the obligation to respond with some hard evidence to the accusations made by the delegate of Pakistan. In response to the delegate, do not dare saying that "the delegate of Afghanistan is making false accusations"! This is a question of pride and the delegate of Afghanistan will not tolerate one more defamation! According to the CATO, "the United States has assembled a superficially impressive international coalition against the threat of terrorism. Many countries in that coalition, however, contribute little of significance to the fight. Even worse, the willingness of some members of the coalition to actually combat terrorism is doubtful. Indeed, given their record, some of those countries appear to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. That concern is especially acute with respect to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and China...Pakistan's guilt is nearly as great as Saudi Arabia's. Without the active support of the government in Islamabad, it is doubtful whether the Taliban could ever have come to power in Afghanistan. Pakistani authorities helped fund the militia and equip it with military hardware during the mid-1990s when the Taliban was merely one of several competing factions in Afghanistan's civil war. Only when the United States exerted enormous diplomatic pressure after the Sept. 11 attacks did Islamabad begin to sever its political and financial ties with the Taliban. Even now it is not certain that key members of Pakistan's intelligence service have repudiated their Taliban clients. Afghanistan is not the only place where Pakistani leaders have flirted with terrorist clients. Pakistan has also assisted rebel forces in Kashmir even though those groups have committed terrorist acts against civilians. And it should be noted that a disproportionate number of the extremist Madrasas schools funded by the Saudis operate in Pakistan."
(http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3841) Moreover, "the vast profits from the drug trade supply a part of the Taliban’s income and of other anti-government and anti-ISAF forces, thus strengthening the physical resources (weapons, logistics provision, and manpower) of the insurgents. Therefore, if Pakistan were to stop sponsoring terrorism in the country of Afghanistan, the illicit opium poppy cultivation and trafficking would also end. In relation to the aid received, the country of Afghanistan does not see a problem in it, since it was due to interventions and multilateral aid that Afghanistan managed to overcome its crisis. Intervention and aid is not something to be ashamed of but instead proud if, since it consists on an alliance where more nations come together in the name of a common goal. A proof is that it was Afghanistan's Government itself that aggred on the Nato Interventions, previously voted in the UN meeting. If Pakistan does indeed interested in the topic, the delegate of Afghanistan would like to remind that according to The New York Times: “After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over the money. The strategy to improve the Pakistani military, needs to be completely revamped….Money has been diverted to help finance weapons systems designed to counter India, not Al Qaeda or the Taliban, adding that the United States has paid tens of millions of dollars in inflated Pakistani reimbursement claims for fuel, ammunition and other costs.” Fellow delegate, what a shame! Lastly, the delegate of Afghanistan would like to clarify that the term “occupation” doesn’t only mean physical, but also ideological and financial… “unlike the past, the timing of the Negroponte-Boucher visit during the transfer of government amounted to the US open intervention in the political process of Pakistan… Another dimension of the US intervention is the economic one. Being a less developed state, Pakistan has depended upon American aid from 1950s till today. Without any doubt economic dependence has brought political independence in its wake.” Fellow delegate of Pakistan, have mercy! إله يبارك أنت (http://www.igloo.org/terrorism/usinterven).

Delegates of Afghanistan,

"NOW, why doesn't the "better and improved" Pakistan government start offensive attacks against the tribal leaders supportive of the Taliban insurgents, and the militia groups along the Afghan-Pakistani border? I know you do agree that the totality of the Al-Qaeda and the Taliban network must be eliminated -- then why not do something of the like?"

Pakistan has , in fact, done something of the like. Together with China and, yet, the United States of America, anti terrorist strategies have ben created. Also, Pakistan's army has been along the FATA areas and the Durand Line region. Efforts to combat terrorism have been present in the nation, so there is no point of urging Pakistan to act towards the elimination of the Al-Qaeda and Taliban networks, since this is already doing so. Also, Pakistan's resolution emphasizes the need to fight against terrorism, and creates new strategies to the best of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Please understand delegates that Afghanistan's instability is directly related to Pakistan's situation, and there is proof for this statement. After all, Pakistan has been helping Afghanistan financially, and also engaging in the War on Terror campaign. With the new elections, Asif Ali Zardari has even met with Afghanistan's and India's presidents, setting diplomatic relations, believing that all are united in the combat of terrorism.

Yet, Pakistan has said that Afghanistan's government sponsors drug production and trafficking, since it is rather convenient for Afghanistan's government, whose major source of economy is opium procuction. So, obviously, the government is in favor of this production of drugs. The delegates of Afghanistan might state that this is a personal problem of the country, but it also concerns Pakistan, since illegal drug trafficking has served as profit for terrorists.

Also, the delegate of Pakistan does not understand all these accusations, since Afghanistan has also been a VICTIM of terrorism, together with Pakistan.

Salam delegate of Pakistan,
It is with pleasure that the delegate of Afghanistan writes this post today, since it has now been shown clearly that Pakistan should not be making false accusations to Afghanistan and vice-versa. Yes delegate, we are allies on the war on drugs and the war on terror, therefore we have to fight together, side by side. Afghanistan appreciates Pakistan's efforts and measures in order to set an end to both crises that have been threatening the region for so long. Afghanistan sees the effort Pakistan has been giving to the nation, but as mentioned on the previous post, it is undeniable that Pakistan is indeed blamable for Afghanistan’s situation. NATO said “Pakistan's guilt is nearly as great as Saudi Arabia's. Without the active support of the government in Islamabad, it is doubtful whether the Taliban could ever have come to power in Afghanistan.” (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3841) The best explanation to this paradoxical situation is that there some degree of controversy in the country of Pakistan. If from one side comes aid and support, from the other side comes carelessness and sponsoring. Therefore Pakistan is being simultaneously a victim and a culprit. Anyway delegate, Afghanistan wishes that Pakistan will come to a more united position in relation to the issues of the region because while the delegate is putting all its efforts on a noble cause, hypocrites in the country of Pakistan are taking the wrong steps. Just as a brief response to the accusation to the Afghan government, there is no way to prove that the Government is indeed behind the drug production and trafficking. Why would the government of Afghanistan engage itself in eradicating drugs, if it supposedly has all the interest in keep it going? Well, it is not a logical measure to take, and that proves that the Afghan Government doesn’t have a link to the illicit opium poppy cultivation and trafficking. Once again delegate, If Pakistan manages to control the evil happenings in the nation, than it will be easy to join forces with Afghanistan on the war on drugs. إله يبارك أنت

Dear Pakistanis delegate,
it was interesting discussing our relations and how we will be able to win the war on drugs and the war on terror. However, the whole set of accusations and consequently explanations came from a completely different discussion, regarding North Korea’s nuclear program. Afghanistan is completely in favor of North Korea’s Nuclear Program in the same way it is completely in favor of Pakistan’s Nuclear Program. Afghanistan believes that all nations have the “natural right to pursue nuclear power”. Today, the International Community faces to similar situations, one occurring in Pakistan and the other occurring in North Korea. Both nations have clarifies its peaceful purpose of alternative source of energy. Both nations have been and are still dealing with serious crisis. Both nations are looking for improvement and complete stability. Therefore, the delegate of Afghanistan still doesn’t understand why is Pakistan so obstinate about going against North Korea’s Nuclear Program. In fact, if Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal was accepted by the International Community, so should be North Korea’s. إله يبارك أنت

Titi,

"Pakistan has , in fact, done something of the like.
Together with China and, yet, the United States
of America, anti terrorist strategies have ben created."
-Titi-

Strategies have been created, but Germany is
wondering, when will actions be taken, since a good
idea has to start somewhere, but if there are no
actions taken, then the aniciative has no meaning...
pleas Pakistan, for the second time, try to make
your points clearer, and try to make your information
more valid, or atleast up to date.

Dlelegate of germany, Pakistan HAS BEEN ACTING! Please, make sure you are researching correctly, since Pakistan´s military has been along the FATA tribal areas doubling their efforts, making sacrifices, yet respecting and saving the victims of terrorism. Still, the War on Terror requires cooperation from many other countires, such as the United States of America and Afghanistan. Since Germany seems so interested on combating terrorism, what has Germany done so far?

Let’s get one thing straight.

Quote :

We want to avoid bloodshed. We want to avoid loss of life. But I also want to say that if it means sacrificing our lives, if it means sacrificing our liberty to save Pakistan and to save democracy, because we believe democracy alone can save Pakistan from disintegration and a militant takeover, then we are prepared to risk our lives, and we are prepared to risk our liberty. But we are not prepared to surrender our great nation to the militants.

This statement was made by Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister and chairperson of the Pakistan Peoples’ Party, a world-known leader who devoted her life to fighting against terrorism and establishing democratic government. Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, has recently been elected President of Pakistan, now dedicated to following through with his wife’s dream. Pakistan’s government HAS been acting against terrorism and has been stepping up its efforts to track terrorists down. Hundreds of our troops have been searching the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan, which led to the killing and capture of more than 700 Al-Qaeda terrorists who escaped from Afghanistan, costing Pakistan 3,000 soldiers since the 9/11 attacks.
We're wandering off topic people! this conversation was initially supposed to be on North Korea's Nuclear Program

Pakistan has not, in a million years, the capacity of having nuclear power. A country first of all, unstable, proven to sponsor terrorist groups, which its secret service the ISI have relations with such groups. And also considering that throughout all its history have been involved in regional conflict. The possibility of a nuclear war come out from one of this conflicts if Pakistan have in fact nucler power is huge, and represents a threat to the whole world community. Therefore there is no way Pakistan can be thrusted to have nucler power. kisses

The delegate of Germany truly believes that the Pakistani delegates should change their position in relation to North Korea’s nuclear program, since, according to the Wisconsin Project Organization, "Pakistan also relies on foreign support in developing its weapon delivery systems. It has nuclear-capable aircraft and is improving its ballistic missile program with the assistance of Chinese and North Korean entities." (http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/pakistan/nuke2003.htm)
Honestly, the delegate of Germany that Pakistan is not really aware of the fact that it has been exporting nuclear materials to North Korea, since "The United States has not made any formal accusations against Pakistan for assisting North Korea's nuclear weapons program, but media reports allege that beginning in 1997, Pakistan provided North Korea with the gas centrifuge technology needed to make highly enriched uranium."

Fellow delegate of Pakistan!
Furthermore, once the ex- secretary of state Colin Powell commented that "inappropriate" contacts between Pakistan and North Korea would result in "consequences." In addition to that, acording to The New York Times, “North Korea obtained ‘many of the designs for gas centrifuges and much of the machinery’ required to make highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons from Pakistan. In return, North Korea--one of the world's most impoverished and isolated countries--reportedly provided Pakistan with ballistic-missile parts…” On the other hand, Germany supports Pakistan in the war on terror, since according to the CFR Organization, “experts say that Osama bin Laden himself may be hiding in Pakistan.” (http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7747#1)